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Chassis - Electrical System - Wiring

Some good tips for your electrical system:

  • Spend the money for the right tools to crimp and solder each type of connector. Like everything... if you take the time and do it right, the end resesults should be durability, performance and ease of maintenance and repair.
  • Use quality parts and connectors. The wiring system will only be as good as the components you use to build it.
  • Think about the location you mount your electronic ignition box. The EMF (Electro magnetic Force) that comes off the coil wires can play havoc with your other electrical equipment, like your stereo and tuner amp. I will use a shielded wire to come from my MSD unit to the coil to fix the feed back through the stereo.

 

I recommend that you visit Dale Van Blokland web site (you can go to his Grills and Lights section), he has put together a wiring diagram that shows how to modified the wiring harness for the Fiero to fit the Lamborghini lights.

 

For a full set of Fiero Wiring Diagrams check out this site.

Jim Auclair (from Rhode Island)

I would like to pass this along to the group.  I have been searching for elecrical schematics for my 1987 Fiero GT for a long time, just getting bits and pieces from one manual to the next.  I recently found a terrific website where I purchased a complete set of color coded wiring diagrams for my 1987 Fiero / Caddy / Diablo.  This is a tremendous help when wiring the dashboard components.  I wish to pass it on to all.  Please open the attachment and download the 23 pages at your leisure.

87_pontiac_fiero-gt_complete1.pdf

87_pontiac_fiero-gt_complete2.pdf

 

 

Check out this article from Kit Car Magizine - How to Harness Your Electrical System

 


These are comments from other builders about there installation methods.

 

Endre (Andy) Bujtas

Electrical Wiring Tip(s): Connectors

When starting to do electrical connections, I recommend using either, or both, Deutsch or GM Weather Pack connectors - especially to hook-up lighting fixtures, etc that are outside the car and exposed to the elements. This is especially true if you are using Lamborghini OEM lights.

The Lamborghini Parking and Tail lights have strange connectors, which will not hook-up to any US connector. Therefore, I recommend replacing these connectors. Since the wires from these lights are pretty thin, I suggest using the Deutsch connectors for these. JEGS sells Deutsch connectors under the following part numbers:

2-pin: 121-8183
4-pin: 121-8181
6-pin: 121-8180

These are for 18 ga.wire.

 

Assembling Deutsch Connectors

Deutsch connectors are easy to make. Just simply strip the wire and insert into the connector pin. Crimp the ends. I also solder the connector to ensure they won't pull out of the pins. They are easy to solder and heat-up fast. Just rest the assembled pin onto a soldering iron and place the flux-core solder on the pin in the area between the crimp and the hole where the wire is inserted. Allow the solder to flow around the crimp and into the pin. You don't need much, and don't "blob" the solder on. Let it cool and you have a sturdy connection. Then just insert the pin into the rubber seal and insert the wedge-shaped locking tab and you have a connector. Also, don't forget to mark what pin does what so that you know what pin gets connected to what device or polarity.

Assembling GM Weather Pack Connectors

GM Weather Pack (WP) connectors are also easy to make. I use them for most of the higher load external pieces of equipment such as the fuel pump, etc. You can get these WP connectors at any NAPA auto parts store, as well as from JEGS. However, the NAPA version comes in individual pieces. The green rubber seals, black connector housing(s) and pins are usually sold separately. If you buy them separately, remember that the male pin goes into the female housing and vice verse.

As with the Deutsch connector you strip-off the insulation and insert the wire onto the pin. Use both the large and small inner crimp tabs. I suggest soldering these as well using the same procedure as explained above. However, when attaching a wire to the female pin, I suggest inserting a male pin so that you don't let the stripped wire extend into where the end of the male connector would get inserted. If you do, it may be difficult to insert the connectors together.

In addition, it is best to insert the green rubber seal BEFORE you strip the wire. The orientation of the green seal is with the long thin section facing the connector. Therefore, push the rubber seal onto the wire with the flat end facing the end of the cut wire. Push the seal far enough in for you to do your work.

Once the pins are made, then simply insert them into the housing and listen for the "click". That means that the pins are seated. Then push the seals all the way into the housing and lower the locking piece. As with any connector, keep track of what wire does what.

Assembling Blade Connectors

Blade connectors are the ones you usually get with wiring kits such are Painless, etc. I recommend using the ones that have a plastic cover and not the uninsulated metal kind. Typically, you only need to strip off about 3/8 of an inch. Insert into connector and crimp the end - through the plastic. The proper way to crimp these connectors is to orient the connector onto the crimping pliers such that the slit in the metal of the connector is on the round side of the crimping plier. That is, the crimp tool has a round side and a pointed side. The connector, where the wire gets inserted, is not completely round, but has a break or slit in it. This slit must be opposite of the pointed edge of the crimping tool. The action of crimping (in the correct gauge) should cause the slit to curl into the wire. The round side helps it do that.

For external wiring using these connectors, I usually weather seal them by using heat-shrink tubing. You can get heat-shrink tubing at any hardware store, NAPA or RadioShack. But I prefer the [dark gray] heat-shrink tubing from Gardner-Bender (GB brand). I get these at my local Lowes hardware. They can take the heat better than the plastic junk that RadioShack sells. And they harden to make a pretty stiff seal. I usually use 2 sizes of heat-shrink for the external connectors: one that's just about the size of the wire and can be slipped into the connector at the wire end, and one that can slip over the connector leg and gets shrunk onto the inner shrunk tube. Therefore, the inner tube is a bit longer than the outer tube. To shrink-fit just use a cigarette lighter and wave the flame over the tube. It is best to start at the connector end and work back - rotating the piece to ensure complete shrinkage.

Endre (Andy) Bujtas

I'm using a Painless wiring system. I split my electrical system into 3 parts: front, middle and rear.

The rear circuit (using an 8-circuit Painless racing harness) handles all the pumps and motors in the engine compartment. This unit is in the rear trunk since it is NOT weather proof.

The center, which uses Painless 18-circuit system, is a standard fuse box type arrangement.

The front system uses Painless' 8-fuse weather pack. This is for the horn, high-speed blower, vacuum pump and front lighting.

The Painless system is relatively easy to install. All the wires have printing to tell you where the wire is supposed to go. However, it does require some planning on your part. You will have to lay-out the wiring first to determine where you are going to route them.

Then you'll group them together to form sub-harnesses. Once routed, the best thing to do will be to wrap the bundles using electrical tape. This will keep them together in a tight bundle and easier to route through firewalls, etc. It takes a lot of tape! I also used color-coded wiring looms from Taylor. This way you should be able to identify wiring groups by the color of the plastic looms. Or you could color code the bundles using colored electrical tape - if you don't want to use looms.

Note from Fletch - The following is a letter that Neil sent me and I passed it on to Andy

Endre (Andy) Bujtas

Neil wrote:

<<Well I want to know about the engine wiring. I've heard from many turn key builders that the wiring for the engine is this big thing that is so extremely hard to do that only a pro builder can do it. I did keep up with the progress that Andy did on his site step by step I even have note on his build to reference to if need be. My question to Andy is: what obstacles did he have in his engine wiring I hear the north star engine is difficult to adapt to being all technical and all. Also I really thank the both of you for the web sites you host there are a lot of prospective builder like myself that is in this whirl wind of snakes that can wait to pray on the uneducated.>>

Well Neil, I had it very easy since I'm using a carburetted V8. There is no electronic fuel injection and no special computer. And I'm not using a Fiero wiring harness since I have a tube chassis.

The ignition system was easy to wire since I selected a Mallory ignition system (i.e. Unilite distributor, coil, HiFire VI ignition control unit, etc.) Mallory provides the wiring diagrams to connect everything up and the wiring itself is quite simple and straight forward.

My electrical system is an 18-circuit Painless unit. All the wires are marked as to where they go and what is connected to them. This unit also has the GM steering column connector that is a simple plug-in to the steering column wiring harness. This allows the ignition switch, turn signal switch, etc to be used by the Painless system without special splicing. So, the Painless wiring is easily connected to the Mallory ignition system. So now I can just turn the ignition key and the engine starts-up beautifully. The only thing you need to concern yourself with this setup is engine tuning.

For those using the Fiero wiring harness to an electronic fuel injected engine, it is easily understandable why there are big issues involved. First, the computer (designed to operate a V6 or L4) must now control a V8. Second, the individual must know the signals that enter the Fiero computer and where they come from. Then match the signals that the V8 puts out to the signals the Fiero expects. Even then, I don't think you'll ever get it perfectly correct since the computer must calculate the air/fuel mixture for a cylinder volume displacement and air flow that is different from what it expects - especially for the Pontiac unit since it uses a fuel map - a hard-coded matrix of mass air flow to fuel requirements designed to optimally run a 2.8L V6. It would probably be better to use the Northstar computer and try to adapt it to the Fiero wiring harness than to adapt the Northstar engine to the Fiero computer/wiring harness. However, this may introduce other problems regarding the mating of the Northstar computer with the Fiero electrical system.

People have successfully connected the Northstar to the Fiero wiring harness, but still have some problems with the performance of their engine. This may be due to the issues I mentioned. All this requires someone with detailed knowledge of both Northstar V8 and Fiero computers to properly get the system to work optimally.

Andy

 


Dwight Booth

Here is a method to make professional looking identification "HEAT SHRINK" tubing labels for wires.
You have dozens and dozens of wires that you spent months trying to figure out what they were, only to have your paper tag fall off 3 months later and then you have to repeat that learning curve? Only if you were not mentally blown away from the 1st go around.
 
The Kroy TM 600 does 1/8", 3/16", 1/4" and 1/2" White heat shrink tubing with multiple fonts and font sizes.
Typically you get about 100" of tape to a cartridge. You can add text, numbers and symbols to a label, bad thing is your want to start labeling everything in a long word format and you will need an additional cartridge.........not cheap, $30.00.
 
So, if you value your time at $15.00 per hour labor rate, this can easily be justified in 2 hrs of piddling with wire color coding, VOMS, circuit analysis or Short Term Memory Loss like me. Not a mandatory tool, but if you build your car in time spurts and have to remember where you left off, this may be a needed tool.

 


The following information (in the Red outline) is from the Diablo Support Forum.

 

opm2000@aol.com
Member posted 02 March 2002 08:37 PM
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Can anyone comment on what chassis wiring harness you have used, and what you liked/disliked about it? Right now, I'm leaning towards the American Autowire or the Ron Francis units. I think Andy mentioned he was using the Painless harness.
David Breeze


Endre Bujtas
New Member posted 03 March 2002 05:50 AM
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Yes, I'm using a Painless wiring system. But I split my electrical system into 3 parts: front, middle and rear. The rear circuit (using an 8-circuit Painless racing harness) handles all the pumps and motors in the engine compartment. This unit is in the rear trunk since it is NOT weather proof. The center, which uses Painless 18-circuit system, is a standard fuse box type arrangement. The front system uses Painless' 8-fuse weather pack. This is for the horn, high-speed blower, vacuum pump and front lighting.

The Painless system is relatively easy to install. All the wires have printing to tell you where the wire is supposed to go. However, it does require some planning on your part. You will have to lay-out the wiring first to determine where you are going to route them.

Then you'll group them together to form sub-harnesses. Once routed, the best thing to do will be to wrap the bundles using electrical tape. This will keep them together in a tight bundle and easier to route through firewalls, etc. It takes a lot of tape! I also used color-coded wiring looms from Taylor. This way you should be able to identify wiring groups by the color of the plastic looms. Or you could color code the bundles using colored electrical tape - if you don't want to use looms.
Endre (Andy) Bujtas

 

Links:
Painless Wiring

JEGS

Aeromotive
Detroit Speed and Engineering
Fiero Wiring Diagrams
Batts Racing - carries the most comprehensive selection of Deutsch Connectors and accessories as well as technical information and support to be found anywhere on the net.

 

 

 

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